{"id":27629,"date":"2025-12-02T10:41:08","date_gmt":"2025-12-02T09:41:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/sinedjib.com\/?p=27629"},"modified":"2025-12-02T10:41:08","modified_gmt":"2025-12-02T09:41:08","slug":"separation-4","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/sinedjib.com\/index.php\/2025\/12\/02\/separation-4\/","title":{"rendered":"La S\u00e9paration des Eglises et de l&rsquo;Etat"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p><strong>Article paru dans <em><a href=\"https:\/\/gallica.bnf.fr\/ark:\/12148\/bpt6k49806378\/f1.image.zoom\">La Petite R\u00e9publique<\/a><\/em>, 5 avril 1905<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"580\" height=\"84\" data-attachment-id=\"27630\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/sinedjib.com\/index.php\/2025\/12\/02\/separation-4\/la-petite-republique-1905\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/sinedjib.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/La-Petite-Republique-1905.jpg?fit=1382%2C200&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1382,200\" data-comments-opened=\"0\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"La Petite R\u00e9publique 1905\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/sinedjib.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/La-Petite-Republique-1905.jpg?fit=300%2C43&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/sinedjib.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/La-Petite-Republique-1905.jpg?fit=580%2C84&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/sinedjib.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/La-Petite-Republique-1905.jpg?resize=580%2C84&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-27630\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/sinedjib.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/La-Petite-Republique-1905.jpg?resize=1024%2C148&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/sinedjib.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/La-Petite-Republique-1905.jpg?resize=300%2C43&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/sinedjib.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/La-Petite-Republique-1905.jpg?resize=768%2C111&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/sinedjib.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/La-Petite-Republique-1905.jpg?resize=1200%2C174&amp;ssl=1 1200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/sinedjib.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/La-Petite-Republique-1905.jpg?w=1382&amp;ssl=1 1382w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 580px) 100vw, 580px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center has-large-font-size\"><strong>A l&rsquo;h\u00f4tel des Soci\u00e9t\u00e9s savantes. &#8211; Une conf\u00e9rence-controverse. &#8211; Projets et contre-projets<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>La conf\u00e9rence-controverse sur la s\u00e9paration des Eglises et de l&rsquo;Etat, organis\u00e9e par l&rsquo;Association nationale des libres-penseurs, qui a eu lieu hier soir, \u00e0 l&rsquo;h\u00f4tel des Soci\u00e9t\u00e9s savantes, a \u00e9t\u00e9 des plus int\u00e9ressantes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<p>Le citoyen Buisson, qui pr\u00e9sidait, a pr\u00e9sent\u00e9 les conf\u00e9renciers, et de suite le citoyen Allard, d\u00e9put\u00e9 du Var, a expliqu\u00e9 les raisons qui l&rsquo;ont entra\u00een\u00e9 \u00e0 d\u00e9poser son contre-projet devant la commission. La d\u00e9mocratie doit porter un coup d\u00e9cisif \u00e0 l&rsquo;Eglise. Mais l&rsquo;article 4, qui donne aux associations la propri\u00e9t\u00e9 des menses, fabriques, etc., est des plus dangereux. Le mode de d\u00e9volution ne l&rsquo;est pas moins. L&rsquo;Eglise est assez riche pour pensionner les pr\u00eatres, les gendarmes en soutane du capitalisme.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Le citoyen Furn\u00e9mont, ancien d\u00e9put\u00e9 socialiste de Belgique, demande \u00e0 la d\u00e9mocratie fran\u00e7aise de ne pas faire, comme dans son pays, une caricature de s\u00e9paration o\u00f9 l&rsquo;Eglise aura tous les avantages et l&rsquo;Etat toutes les charges.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Le citoyen Augagneur d\u00e9clare tout d&rsquo;abord qu&rsquo;\u00e0 la Chambre il votera le projet Allard.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Il s&rsquo;explique sur l&rsquo;amendement qu&rsquo;il a d\u00e9pos\u00e9 et demande la mise sous s\u00e9questre des biens des fabriques, dont la valeur servira au paiement des pensions aux pr\u00eatres, puis la reprise par l&rsquo;Etat des s\u00e9minaires, des \u00e9v\u00each\u00e9s et palais \u00e9piscopaux dont les communes pourront tirer imm\u00e9diatement parti. Restent les \u00e9difices des cultes donn\u00e9s \u00e0 l&rsquo;Eglise sous des conditions tr\u00e8s pr\u00e9cises, et une interdiction absolue de les utiliser autrement que pour le culte. Des raisons \u00e9conomiques et politiques sont expos\u00e9es avec clart\u00e9 par l&rsquo;orateur en faveur de ces amendements, tendant surtout \u00e0 \u00e9viter les guerres religieuses sans sacrifier les cath\u00e9drales qui restent monuments historiques.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Le citoyen de Pressens\u00e9 s&rsquo;explique sur les r\u00e9formes \u00e0 apporter au projet de la commission, qu&rsquo;il votera cependant, s&rsquo;il faut ainsi \u00e9viter un avortement. Il fait un expos\u00e9 historique de la lutte entre l&rsquo;Eglise et l&rsquo;Etat dans ces vingt derni\u00e8res ann\u00e9es et montre la diff\u00e9rence entre son premier projet et le projet actuel. Puis il r\u00e9pond \u00e0 Augagneur, dont il partage les craintes sans approuver le projet. L&rsquo;Etat devrait garder la pleine propri\u00e9t\u00e9 des \u00e9difices religieux ; il faudrait inscrire dans la loi que les prix de location ne pourraient jamais descendre au-dessous des frais d&rsquo;entretien. Il s&rsquo;explique ensuite sur la police des cultes et sur les associations cultuelles.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>M. Aulard termine la s\u00e9rie des orateurs en pr\u00e9sentant, au nom de l&rsquo;Association nationale des libres penseurs de France, un contre-projet \u00e9labor\u00e9 par elle en s&rsquo;inspirant des arguments fournis de part et d&rsquo;autre.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Tous ces orateurs ont \u00e9t\u00e9 \u00e9cout\u00e9s avec une grande attention dans leurs \u00e9loquents expos\u00e9s, maintes fois applaudis, et que M. Buisson a r\u00e9sum\u00e9s en laissant les auditeurs libres de conclure sur la valeur des arguments nombreux \u00e9mis dans cette conf\u00e9rence-controverse.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Article paru dans La Petite R\u00e9publique, 5 avril 1905 A l&rsquo;h\u00f4tel des Soci\u00e9t\u00e9s savantes. &#8211; Une conf\u00e9rence-controverse. &#8211; Projets et contre-projets La conf\u00e9rence-controverse sur la s\u00e9paration des Eglises et de l&rsquo;Etat, organis\u00e9e par l&rsquo;Association nationale des libres-penseurs, qui a eu lieu hier soir, \u00e0 l&rsquo;h\u00f4tel des Soci\u00e9t\u00e9s savantes, a \u00e9t\u00e9 des plus int\u00e9ressantes.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[8],"tags":[2871,5896,1944,5897,908,2872,1088,5898],"class_list":["post-27629","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-presse","tag-2871","tag-association-nationale-des-libres-penseurs-de-france","tag-conference","tag-la-petite-republique","tag-paris","tag-separation","tag-socialisme","tag-societes-savantes"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p9lTYU-7bD","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":27626,"url":"https:\/\/sinedjib.com\/index.php\/2025\/12\/01\/separation-3\/","url_meta":{"origin":27629,"position":0},"title":"La s\u00e9paration","author":"SiNedjib","date":"01\/12\/2025","format":false,"excerpt":"Communiqu\u00e9 paru dans Le Travailleur, 5 avril 1905 ; suivi de \"A propos de la S\u00e9paration des Eglises et de l'Etat\" paru dans Le Travailleur, 13 avril 1905 Ce que demandent les Libres-Penseurs : Le Secr\u00e9tariat du Congr\u00e8s de Paris nous adresse la communication suivante : Les Libres-Penseurs et Libres-Penseuses\u2026","rel":"","context":"Dans &quot;presse&quot;","block_context":{"text":"presse","link":"https:\/\/sinedjib.com\/index.php\/category\/presse\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/sinedjib.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/Le-Travailleur-1905.jpg?resize=350%2C200&ssl=1","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/sinedjib.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/Le-Travailleur-1905.jpg?resize=350%2C200&ssl=1 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/sinedjib.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/Le-Travailleur-1905.jpg?resize=525%2C300&ssl=1 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/sinedjib.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/Le-Travailleur-1905.jpg?resize=700%2C400&ssl=1 2x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/sinedjib.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/Le-Travailleur-1905.jpg?resize=1050%2C600&ssl=1 3x"},"classes":[]},{"id":27618,"url":"https:\/\/sinedjib.com\/index.php\/2025\/11\/29\/separation-2\/","url_meta":{"origin":27629,"position":1},"title":"S\u00e9paration des Eglises et de l&rsquo;Etat : conf\u00e9rence-d\u00e9bat le 6 d\u00e9cembre \u00e0 14h \u00e0 Paris","author":"SiNedjib","date":"29\/11\/2025","format":false,"excerpt":"\u00c0 l\u2019occasion du 120\u00e8me anniversaire de la loi sur la s\u00e9paration des \u00c9glises et de l\u2019Etat, j\u2019aurai l\u2019honneur d\u2019animer une conf\u00e9rence-d\u00e9bat sur le sujet, le samedi 6 d\u00e9cembre 2025 \u00e0 14h \u00e0 l\u2019EDMP : 8, impasse Crozatier 75012 Paris (m\u00e9tro Reuilly-Diderot). 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